[Pretzel Logic]

It's actually nice that you are a scientist and willing to debate with us. Thank you for that

IMO, the model with CO2 emissions is flawed and the governments "selling" it just want more power and influence. Why? Simple math. The population increase is our Planet's biggest problem, and as a consequence ours too. Putting laws on CO2 emissions will not solve the problem when math comes into place. If you make a car consume 50% less CO2 sounds good in theory, but the fact that 3 cars will exist instead of one simply because more people will live on Earth puts the practice under question.

Why aren't the "save the Planet" crowd willing to acknowledge this? Why is no one willing to talk about the real threat to our Planet coming from the fact that we are expanding in an uncontrolled rate which is not sustainable? Because of PR. No one will like you if you say "people should have less babies". But if you say "people should pollute less" everyone will love you.

So forgive me for being skeptical but I don't buy the good intent of the "global warming" crowd. They focus on the smaller part of the problem just because the PR is better and the other subject is tabu.

I believe that this is exactly the agenda behind SOME of the global warming crowd.

Do keep in mind that the earth is far from being overpopulated yet, though. Urban man occupies only 3% of the landmass. If we took EVERYONE in the world and stuck them in one place, they could comfortably occupy an area that was only about the size of Texas.

Also keep in mind that part of the reason we've been able to grow the population even this much is BECAUSE of the current warming period. The rise and fall of civilizations is quite clearly linked to changing climates -- warm periods = prosperity and plentiful food/resources; cold periods = contraction of resources and population. We were fortunate enough to be born into a prosperous climate period. But it won't last forever, despite what the AGP crowd is afraid of. (In a way, they're afraid of earth remaining hospitable to man's prosperity for longer than it otherwise might on its own!)

When we shift back to a cold period (which, according to history, we absolutely will at some point -- sometimes this is triggered by sudden geological activity in the form of multiple ongoing volcanic eruptions; which then block the sun from warming the planet), the population will be forced to contract -- probably traumatically so, unfortunately.