[Shiver Metimbers]

I used to have a slew of links to many important (or at least fun) writings of the Founding Fathers, as they are called, of the United States of America.  Perhaps others still do, and if so I hope they will post them.

I've been looking for some I remember, but searches have been disappointing and sometimes unavailing.

My own poor backup procedures and the sometimes short shelf-life of things on the internet (blogs going poof or being banned) have, alas, depleted the store, so thought it might be of general interest to have some of those writings here.

[Shiver Metimbers]

I'll kick it off with the hilarious letter of Ben Franklin (Abbe Franklin) to Abbe Morellet, written during his tenure as US Ambassador to France.

I have been unable to rediscover a facsimile of the original letter, nor one with both the text and drawings, so the following is compiled and edited from different sites.

Enjoy!

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1779?

        On Wine

        FROM THE ABBE FRANKLIN TO THE ABBE MORELLET

        You have often enlivened me, my dear friend, by your excellent drinking-songs; in return, I beg to edify you by some Christian, moral, and philosophical reflections upon the same subject.

        In vino veritas, says the wise man, -- Truth is in wine.  Before the days of Noah, then, men, having nothing but water to drink, could not discover the truth.  Thus they went astray, became abominably wicked, and were justly exterminated by water, which they loved to drink.

        The good man Noah, seeing that through this pernicious beverage all his contemporaries had perished, took it in aversion; and to quench his thirst God created the vine, and revealed to him the means of converting its fruit into wine.  By means of this liquor he discovered numberless important truths; so that ever since his time the word to divine has been in common use, signifying originally, to discover by means of WINE.  (VIN) Thus the patriarch Joseph took upon himself to divine by means of a cup or glass of wine, a liquor which obtained this name to show that it was not of human but divine invention (another proof of the antiquity of the French language, in opposition to M. Geebelin); nay, since that time, all things of peculiar excellence, even the Deities themselves, have been called Divine or Divinities.

        We hear of the conversion of water into wine at the marriage in Cana as of a miracle.  But this conversion is, through the goodness of God, made every day before our eyes.  Behold the rain which descends from heaven upon our vineyards; there it enters the roots of the vines, to be changed into wine; a constant proof that God loves us, and loves to see us happy.  The miracle in question was only performed to hasten the operation, under circumstances of present necessity, which required it.

        It is true that God has also instructed man to reduce wine into water.  But into what sort of water? -- Water of Life. (L'eau-de-Vie) And this, that man may be able upon occasion to perform the miracle of Cana, and convert common water into that excellent species of wine which we call punch. My Christian brother, be kind and benevolent like God, and do not spoil his good drink.

        He made wine to gladden the heart of man; do not, therefore when at table you see your neighbor pour wine into his glass, be eager to mingle water with it.  Why would you drown truth?  It is probable that your neighbor knows better than you what suits him.  Perhaps he does not like water; perhaps he would only put in a few drops for fashion's sake; perhaps he does not wish any one to observe how little he puts in his glass.  Do not, then, offer water, except to children; 't is a mistaken piece of politeness, and often very inconvenient.  I give you this hint as a man of the world; and I will finish as I began, like a good Christian, in making a religious observation of high importance, taken from the Holy Scriptures.  I mean that the apostle Paul counselled Timothy very seriously to put wine into his water for the sake of his health; but that not one of the apostles or holy fathers ever recommended putting water into wine.

        P.S. To confirm still more your piety and gratitude to Divine Providence, reflect upon the situation which it has given to the elbow. You see (Figures 1 and 2) in animals, who are intended to drink the waters that flow upon the earth, that if they have long legs, they have also a long neck, so that they can get at their drink without kneeling down. 



But man, who was destined to drink wine, must be able to raise the glass to his mouth.  If the elbow had been placed nearer the hand (as in Figure 3), the part in advance would have been too short to bring the glass up to the mouth; and if it had been placed nearer the shoulder, (as in Figure 4) that part would have been so long that it would have carried the wine far beyond the mouth.  But by the actual situation, (represented in Figure 5), we are enabled to drink at our ease, the glass going exactly to the mouth. 



Let us, then, with glass in hand, adore this benevolent wisdom; -- let us adore and drink!

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Original French text (many of the puns are not quite translatable and are even funnier in the original).

English translation (reformatted above; the site includes the text of a number of other letters, some serious and some fun, some both).

Franklin's drawing for the PS

[algaeman]

I'll kick it off with the hilarious letter of Ben Franklin (Abbe Franklin) to Abbe Morellet, written during his tenure as US Ambassador to France.

I have been unable to rediscover a facsimile of the original letter, nor one with both the text and drawings, so the following is compiled and edited from different sites.

Enjoy!

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1779?

        On Wine

        FROM THE ABBE FRANKLIN TO THE ABBE MORELLET

        You have often enlivened me, my dear friend, by your excellent drinking-songs; in return, I beg to edify you by some Christian, moral, and philosophical reflections upon the same subject.

        In vino veritas, says the wise man, -- Truth is in wine.  Before the days of Noah, then, men, having nothing but water to drink, could not discover the truth.  Thus they went astray, became abominably wicked, and were justly exterminated by water, which they loved to drink.

        The good man Noah, seeing that through this pernicious beverage all his contemporaries had perished, took it in aversion; and to quench his thirst God created the vine, and revealed to him the means of converting its fruit into wine.  By means of this liquor he discovered numberless important truths; so that ever since his time the word to divine has been in common use, signifying originally, to discover by means of WINE.  (VIN) Thus the patriarch Joseph took upon himself to divine by means of a cup or glass of wine, a liquor which obtained this name to show that it was not of human but divine invention (another proof of the antiquity of the French language, in opposition to M. Geebelin); nay, since that time, all things of peculiar excellence, even the Deities themselves, have been called Divine or Divinities.

        We hear of the conversion of water into wine at the marriage in Cana as of a miracle.  But this conversion is, through the goodness of God, made every day before our eyes.  Behold the rain which descends from heaven upon our vineyards; there it enters the roots of the vines, to be changed into wine; a constant proof that God loves us, and loves to see us happy.  The miracle in question was only performed to hasten the operation, under circumstances of present necessity, which required it.

        It is true that God has also instructed man to reduce wine into water.  But into what sort of water? -- Water of Life. (L'eau-de-Vie) And this, that man may be able upon occasion to perform the miracle of Cana, and convert common water into that excellent species of wine which we call punch. My Christian brother, be kind and benevolent like God, and do not spoil his good drink.

        He made wine to gladden the heart of man; do not, therefore when at table you see your neighbor pour wine into his glass, be eager to mingle water with it.  Why would you drown truth?  It is probable that your neighbor knows better than you what suits him.  Perhaps he does not like water; perhaps he would only put in a few drops for fashion's sake; perhaps he does not wish any one to observe how little he puts in his glass.  Do not, then, offer water, except to children; 't is a mistaken piece of politeness, and often very inconvenient.  I give you this hint as a man of the world; and I will finish as I began, like a good Christian, in making a religious observation of high importance, taken from the Holy Scriptures.  I mean that the apostle Paul counselled Timothy very seriously to put wine into his water for the sake of his health; but that not one of the apostles or holy fathers ever recommended putting water into wine.

        P.S. To confirm still more your piety and gratitude to Divine Providence, reflect upon the situation which it has given to the elbow. You see (Figures 1 and 2) in animals, who are intended to drink the waters that flow upon the earth, that if they have long legs, they have also a long neck, so that they can get at their drink without kneeling down. 



But man, who was destined to drink wine, must be able to raise the glass to his mouth.  If the elbow had been placed nearer the hand (as in Figure 3), the part in advance would have been too short to bring the glass up to the mouth; and if it had been placed nearer the shoulder, (as in Figure 4) that part would have been so long that it would have carried the wine far beyond the mouth.  But by the actual situation, (represented in Figure 5), we are enabled to drink at our ease, the glass going exactly to the mouth. 



Let us, then, with glass in hand, adore this benevolent wisdom; -- let us adore and drink!

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Original French text (many of the puns are not quite translatable and are even funnier in the original).

English translation (reformatted above; the site includes the text of a number of other letters, some serious and some fun, some both).

Franklin's drawing for the PS

Outstanding!  I will now savor and enjoy even more every sip of wine, the nectar of God, knowing His intentions in creating this wonderful drink to lead mankind out of the morass of ignorance by uncovering that elusive truth.  Thank you for this!

[Shiver Metimbers]

I'll kick it off with the hilarious letter of Ben Franklin (Abbe Franklin) to Abbe Morellet, written during his tenure as US Ambassador to France.

I have been unable to rediscover a facsimile of the original letter, nor one with both the text and drawings, so the following is compiled and edited from different sites.

Enjoy!

Outstanding!  I will now savor and enjoy even more every sip of wine, the nectar of God, knowing His intentions in creating this wonderful drink to lead mankind out of the morass of ignorance by uncovering that elusive truth.  Thank you for this!

Glad you enjoyed it, and 'even more every sip of wine.' Bummer about the pre-wine peoples.

My grandfather had something similar to say about drinking water: "You crazy? You do know that fish do all their business in that, doncha?"

I added the missing link to the English translation site with other letters, sorry for the initial omission. Good discussion in there with Gout.

[Rob520]

I used to have a slew of links to many important (or at least fun) writings of the Founding Fathers, as they are called, of the United States of America.  Perhaps others still do, and if so I hope they will post them.

I've been looking for some I remember, but searches have been disappointing and sometimes unavailing.

My own poor backup procedures and the sometimes short shelf-life of things on the internet (blogs going poof or being banned) have, alas, depleted the store, so thought it might be of general interest to have some of those writings here.

The time period of Founding Fathers is 1756 - 1791?


"In 1787, Patrick Henry was invited to participate in what became the Constitutional Convention. He feared that the meeting was really a sinister plot by the powerful to construct a strong central government that would become not much different from what they revolted against. When the new Constitution was sent to Virginia for ratification in 1788, Patrick Henry stood up and objected. Henry argued that it was a trap and that the Constitution did not include a bill of rights and that would lead to tyranny.
Patrick Henry argued that the clear absence of a bill of rights was confirmation that this was really an attempt by the few to become powerful and dictate to everyone beneath them once again. Henry argued eloquently and other Anti-Federalists saw his point and compelled James Madison, the leader of the Virginia Federalists, to promise the addition of a bill of rights to the Constitution. On September 25, Congress agreed upon the 12 amendments, and they were sent to the states for approval. Articles three through twelve were ratified and became the Bill of Rights on December 15, 1791. It was not until after 25 days of heated debate, on June 26, 1788, Virginia became the 10th state to ratify the Constitution on that condition.

If it were not for Patrick Henry, we would have lived in utter tyranny all this time. Little by little, the court has very subtly inverted the Bill of Rights and most people have actually just looked at that title “Bill of Rights” and assumed that are positive rights that we have. However, look closer and you will see that this is a negative restraint. If you want to sue someone for violating your constitutional rights, they MUST be acting under “Color of Law” meaning it is really at the government’s direction. https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/inter...ny-rights/


“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

[Rob520]

Had watched episode on either Nova or The Unexplained on Forefathers/design of DC few months back..
Will post if I find. May find these interesting..

https://rumble.com/search/all?q=Forefathers

https://www.amazon.com/The-UnXplained-Se...B09J1KC2ZN